Ave Maria drops student health plan, insurance requirement

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Jim Towey, president of Ave Maria University, holds a press conference on Friday afternoon at the Hilton hotel in Naples in reaction to President Obama's announcement that the Affordable Care Act will not require religious institutions such as Catholic colleges and hospitals to provide their employees with health insurance coverage for contraception and birth control. 'There's more confusion than ever before,' Towey said about the White House's compromise on the issue, which originally mandated contraception and birth control coverage under the Affordable Care Act but adjusted its stance under heavy pressure from Catholic leaders and politicians.

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Tristan Spinski/Staff Jim Towey, president of Ave Maria University, holds a press conference on Friday afternoon at the Hilton hotel in Naples in reaction to President Obama's announcement that the Affordable Care Act will not require religious institutions such as Catholic colleges and hospitals to provide their employees with health insurance coverage for contraception and birth control. "There's more confusion than ever before," Towey said about the White House's compromise on the issue, which originally mandated contraception and birth control coverage under the Affordable Care Act but adjusted its stance under heavy pressure from Catholic leaders and politicians.

Ave Maria University will no longer offer health insurance to students or require them to carry it, school officials announced Monday.

With premiums and deductibles expected to rise, and a new federal mandate requiring coverage for contraceptive care — which the Catholic school doesn’t support — university President James Towey said the decision was a “no-brainer.”

“We simply have no choice,” he said.

The university is suing the federal government over the contraceptive mandate included in the Affordable Care Act, which requires insurers to pay for FDA-approved contraception, such as birth control, sterilization and the “morning after” pill. Towey noted that Notre Dame announced Monday it, too, is suing over the new requirements.

“It’s exciting to see some of the big guns now entering this debate,” Towey said, adding that he believes it’s more likely the provisions will be revisited as more schools follow suit.

On Monday, Ave Maria University leaders who met to discuss dropping student health coverage agreed it was the best choice for the college.

It has required students to maintain health insurance since its founding, and about 12 percent of the college’s 800 students use the university’s plan.

Under new federal mandates, the plan’s insurance premiums were expected to jump from $839 to $1,392 annually. Deductibles were slated to rise from $100 to $250, Towey said.

Dropping the plan and the requirement that students have coverage was a “painful decision,” he said, but one that has been embraced by student and university leaders.

“It’s not possible for us to require health insurance and coverage that is contrary to our Catholic identity,” he said.

The decision is effective Aug. 15. Towey said officials decided to announce it Monday to give students who use the Ave Maria plan time to find another.

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Bramble writes:

Where in the Bible does it say contraception is wrong? Where in the insurance policy does it say you have to use contraception or abortion-related services if you don't want to?

So don't buy insurance, but stick your moral plan and don't show up at the emergency room at 3am with a ruptured appendix unless you can cough up $22,000 right there for your lifesaving treatment. You certainly wouldn't expect the heathens to pay for your care, would you?

privateroad writes:

obama will pay for it, right? Free health care for everyone , except the elderly.

fritobandito writes:

I guess Jesus will keep them healthy :-/

tnflga writes:

Bible thumping fruit cakes! I don't support having to have car insurance either. But the Government says I have too.

Pragmatic1 writes:

Whittier College in Whittier, California, a Quaker based college, has announced plans to file suit against the United States Government over the use of tax dollars to fund war time activities.

College President Vern C. Childs said "The Board of Trustees and our legal assistance team have reviewed the law suit filed by Notre Dame and concluded that we too should be able to craft our taxes around our religious beliefs. In fact we are suing for a refund of all tax dollars spend on wars over the past 50 years. We estimate the US Government owes us a refund in excess of $100 million".

We are also petitioning the courts to not allow tax payments accrued by anyone associated with the college from being used for violent purposes. If we have reached a point where any religion can dictate what tax dollars are used for, other than the general good of society. then we want to be on the forefront in securing owed monies while the US Government is capable of paying it."

Mr. Child then waved a the Peace symbol of two fingers in a V and refused to take any further questions.

Captian_Cataracts writes:

These guys really make me laugh out loud...

Homosexuals telling the world not to use rubbers or birth control.

Or Jesus will burn you in Hell for eternity.

I remember when you used to get an Eternity in Hell for eating a hotdog on a Friday, then the Catholicks changed GOD's law.

Guess who figured it all out that day eh wot?

Maggotbrain writes:

This is a cost cutting measure using moral dogmas as an excuse to cut health care costs. If it is immoral to provide students with health care, it will soon be found immoral to provide health care benefits to employees. Like the earlier decision by Tom Monaghan to eliminate pension contributions (a de facto wage cut to pay for an idiotic football program) the decision to cut health care will be a huge wage cut harming the sick and injured while covered with a slick rhetorical veneer of Christian moralism.

Hypocrisy is a far greater sin than birth control.

These people are the whitened sepulchers Jesus warned us about.

TiredoftheBS writes:

This is cost cutting for no reason other than to save money because national healthcare will get out of control and become an anchor around working American's necks.

Pragmatic1 writes:

The New Religious Sensitive Tax Code:
Please select from the various items listed below, which you are not religiously conflicted paying for

* War
* Gay Rights
* Education
* Highway Construction
* The Military
* Social Security
* Police
* Foreign Aid
* Medicare
* Prisons
* Public ransportation
* Farm Subsidies
* Supporting Wealthy People
* Supporting Poor People
* Unemployment Insurance
* Government Research Grants
* The FBI
* Government support for the Arts
* VA Benefits
* Fire Fighters
* Center For Disease Control
* Homeland Security
* The CIA
* Someone else's Congressperson
Please note:
The list will continue to be updated and added to.

Remember, all you have to do is state that paying for these services is counter to your religious believes and, at least according to The Catholic Higher Ups, you should not have to pay for them.

The common good of all? No, according to the Catholic Church, that is supposed to now take a back seat to individual religious freedoms.

How long before Jews and Muslims protest pork served in public or Hindu's want to outlaw slaughtering cows?

We have simply got to get these right wing whack jobs away from any control buttons or sharp objects!

NO MORE NO!

MacGumbo writes:

in response to Maggotbrain:

This is a cost cutting measure using moral dogmas as an excuse to cut health care costs. If it is immoral to provide students with health care, it will soon be found immoral to provide health care benefits to employees. Like the earlier decision by Tom Monaghan to eliminate pension contributions (a de facto wage cut to pay for an idiotic football program) the decision to cut health care will be a huge wage cut harming the sick and injured while covered with a slick rhetorical veneer of Christian moralism.

Hypocrisy is a far greater sin than birth control.

These people are the whitened sepulchers Jesus warned us about.

What about personal responsibility. People have gotten out of control, thinking I can do whatever I want without consequences. If I screw up I will not have to face it and the government will bail me out. Obviously parents and the education system has raised a generation of gimmes!

Pragmatic1 writes:

in response to SoldierStrong:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

"Liberals. want Everyone else to pay for their careless sex."
IT IS A LOT CHEAPER PAYING .50 FOR CONDOMS THAN A LIFETIME OF CARE FOR AN UNWANTED CHILD.

"Obamacare is going to bankrupt this nation for YEARS to come.."
OBAMACARE IS GOING TO BANKRUPT THE NATION? DID YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLE ABOVE ABOUT 66% INCREASES IN INSURANCE? THAT'S NOT OBAMACARE.

THE PARTY OF "NO" NEED TO GET THE MESSAGE...

NO MORE NO!

Pragmatic1 writes:

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mr_1_term_proposition writes:

Obama strikes again. If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free.

davebonita writes:

well several things.

first off, nothing worst than greedy businesses hiding behind religion as a way to cut costs.

i'm fine with churches not having to supply health care to it's priests and nuns but...

but the rest of these so called catholics organizations are business not churches that turn a profit and a rather large one at that. so since they don't want to have govt in their "business", i say fine but make sure they pay their property taxes and give back all the govt money their so eager to take.

plus where's the individuals' freedoms, funny how the catholic church men "know" that all employed women don't want this. what about all the non-catholics' employed by the catholic mega-corporation that will be without these health benefits.

the catholic church is one of the biggest land holders in the USA, let them pay property taxes like the rest of us.

plus any "organization" that needs "RAPE" insurance should just be happy to still be able to fleece the poor slobs that at not smart enough to realize their being lied to too.

bsdetector writes:

Hey! Let's have that debate. Sprinkled among the customary moronic responses are a few legitimate arguments relating to 'national health care.'

Let us have that discussion -- with verbally adept individuals representing each perspective continuing to refine the debate to one or more general areas of agreement.

Intelligent conclusions do not usually align along predictable, hard left/right political party lines. Those 'canned' societal positions exist to provide cover and comfort for the intellectually bankrupt. Real thinkers do not simply regurgitate cliches and sound bites.

Think for yourself and create your own unique positions. Share those thoughts here and overpower the noise.

baldygrandpa writes:

The idea that medical care should be dependent on the patients ability to pay is obscene. A child has no choice about where he/she is born.
The world needs to accept the fact that most medical students are not in the business of making a fortune but there are are forces out there that would have you believe that.

crazyjoedivola1 (Inactive) writes:

I wonder how many older folks ( not of retirement age) are holding on to their jobs just for the health care. I'd gladly give mine to a recent college grad or person with a family and go hang out with my grandkids if I could get decent coverage.

CarpeVeritas writes:

You'd think Catholics would be tired of paying for lawyers. But apparently this issue is just as important as pedophilia in the workplace....

If the Catholic Church DOES PAY FOR insurance (as for employees), they don't have to cover things they hate.

But the Catholic Church DOES NOT PAY FOR students' insurance! The students do. That's why it's tacked on to their university charges.

The Catholic Church is fighting a rear guard action to maintain a place in the U.S. The majority of the laity are yawning at their wild attempts to continue to peddle medieval thought (divine right rulers, total obedience, male clergy, prescribed reproduction, and the cheerful promise of a fiery eternity in perdition for dissenters).

The Catholic Church has lost the battle in Europe, and is frightened by the thought of being downgraded to a third-world religion.

crazyjoedivola1 (Inactive) writes:

Re: Ave, Seems everyone's OK with dropping their health care to make a statement. That doesn't mean they won't show up at the nearest emergency room and request charity care. And they don't have premarital sex,so who needs birth control, right?

Watasha writes:

in response to Maggotbrain:

This is a cost cutting measure using moral dogmas as an excuse to cut health care costs. If it is immoral to provide students with health care, it will soon be found immoral to provide health care benefits to employees. Like the earlier decision by Tom Monaghan to eliminate pension contributions (a de facto wage cut to pay for an idiotic football program) the decision to cut health care will be a huge wage cut harming the sick and injured while covered with a slick rhetorical veneer of Christian moralism.

Hypocrisy is a far greater sin than birth control.

These people are the whitened sepulchers Jesus warned us about.

Isn't Obamacare about to be struck down by the Supreme Court? Ave might have jumped the gun on this. Reasons up for speculation, but I imagine finances dominated the converation.

staghorn writes:

never trust a republican©

Name/Location Employer/Occupation $ Amount Contributed Contributed To Primary/
General Date
MONAGHAN, THOMAS S
NAPLES, FL 34108 AVE MARIA UNIVERSITY/CHANCELLOR $2,500 THE AMERICAN WAY - DURANT 2012 - REPUBLICAN P 12/31/2011
MONAGHAN, THOMAS S
NAPLES, FL 34108 AVE MARIA UNIVERSITY/CHANCELLOR $2,500 THE AMERICAN WAY - DURANT 2012 - REPUBLICAN G 12/31/2011
Monaghan, Thomas S
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/chancellor $500 WALBERG FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN P 09/30/2011
MONAGHAN, TOM MR
ANN ARBOR, MI 48106 AVE MARIA UNIVERSITY/CHANCELLOR $2,500 THE AMERICAN WAY - DURANT 2012 - REPUBLICAN P 09/27/2011
MONAGHAN, THOMAS
NAPLES, FL 34108 AVE MARIA UNIVERSITY/CHANCELLOR $2,400 MARCO RUBIO FOR US SENATE - REPUBLICAN G 10/26/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $500 ROB STEELE FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN G 10/26/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/chancellor $2,400 WALBERG FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN G 09/07/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $244 BRIAN ROONEY FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN P 03/18/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $1,933 BRIAN ROONEY FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN P 03/18/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $495 BRIAN ROONEY FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN G 03/18/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $225 BRIAN ROONEY FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN G 03/18/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $1,649 BRIAN ROONEY FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN G 03/18/2010

Ran writes:

Congratulations, Ave Maria. There are more colleges, universities, charities, hospitals that will be dropping Obamacare. I wish Obama would drop it himself.

Ran writes:

in response to privateroad:

obama will pay for it, right? Free health care for everyone , except the elderly.

Right. He said no one will have to drop their health care or doctor. It's all free. He is paying for my health trip to the Bahamas. Maybe I can get him to give me a car rental too.

Klaatu writes:

Rest easy !
The Catholic Church's heath coverage will still cover erectile dysfunction medication !!

Look out Boy's !!!!!!
Fr. Boehner comming !
(he says it's (BAY-nor)

marcari writes:

in response to bsdetector:

Hey! Let's have that debate. Sprinkled among the customary moronic responses are a few legitimate arguments relating to 'national health care.'

Let us have that discussion -- with verbally adept individuals representing each perspective continuing to refine the debate to one or more general areas of agreement.

Intelligent conclusions do not usually align along predictable, hard left/right political party lines. Those 'canned' societal positions exist to provide cover and comfort for the intellectually bankrupt. Real thinkers do not simply regurgitate cliches and sound bites.

Think for yourself and create your own unique positions. Share those thoughts here and overpower the noise.

I agree, let's have the debate. But as you have noted, the bigots rule in this forum. The real issue is not contraception, abortion pills, or sterilization...the issue is the first line of the first amendment to our Constitution. The concept of separation of church and state has been, until now, a two way street. In order to adhere to the "free exercise" clause the courts have ruled that self employed Amish don't have to pay social security taxes. One can claim CO status and not have to fight in for this country. Doctors and nurses do not have to perform abortions. There are dozens of Supreme Court decisions which exempt citizens based on matters of religious conviction. The administration is clever, go after the Catholics (as you can see on this forum, enough people hate the "Papists" that it's easy). Wait till they come after you when your convictions require non acquience. Interestingly, I have on tape a quote wherein our president states..."that Muslims must have the right to practice their religion as they see fit"...and ya"ll are worried about the Catholics?

volochine writes:

Wow! Educated people are crying, not typing at these comments.

Get educated, and try to register to vote, if they will let you.

Bramble writes:

in response to bsdetector:

Hey! Let's have that debate. Sprinkled among the customary moronic responses are a few legitimate arguments relating to 'national health care.'

Let us have that discussion -- with verbally adept individuals representing each perspective continuing to refine the debate to one or more general areas of agreement.

Intelligent conclusions do not usually align along predictable, hard left/right political party lines. Those 'canned' societal positions exist to provide cover and comfort for the intellectually bankrupt. Real thinkers do not simply regurgitate cliches and sound bites.

Think for yourself and create your own unique positions. Share those thoughts here and overpower the noise.

Amen to that.

drolds writes:

in response to tnflga:

Bible thumping fruit cakes! I don't support having to have car insurance either. But the Government says I have too.

The goverment only requires you to have auto insurance if you will be driving on public roads. You can drop your auto insurance and drive around your yard all you want.

Ruger writes:

in response to SoldierStrong:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

You got it, the Party of Hype and Blame is demanding that these institutions abandon their values and adopt Obama's and radicals of the left.

The real question is how much organizations will have to pay for the waivers that will be issued, just like the Obamacare disaster.

At least he will have divided the Catholic Church, that was the goal right?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/...

Obama campaign of attempting to “pit Americans against each other” by engaging in class warfare and unfairly attacking Republicans on gender issues.

“Never have we seen such an effort to divide the American people in an effort to win an election as we have today,”

furball writes:

Thanks, great job Barry the Constitutional Law Professor
who tried to impose an unconstitutional law on his subjects. I'd love to see those college transcripts and grades.
Our health care went up $100.00 a month and my walk-in-clinic is now a United Way clinic appointment only.
So say it again Barry.....keep same Dr.s and cost. What a hose job from this incompetent thief.

furball writes:

Barry is bankrupting us in costs of law suits against his regime and Holder. J ust think of the taxpayer money spent on all the health care, immigration and now the Catholic church law suits. The great uniter!!!!!

Ask_Alice writes:

The University says that they no longer require students to carry insurance. This is not a ban on insurance. Most of these kids are still on their parents' health care plans anyway. So what's the big deal? Why attack the Catholic Church? The Catholics have their birth control beliefs, and students who don't agree can find insurance elsewhere.

NeezDutz writes:

First, I don't agree with the view the Catholics have on contraception.
I have to say, irregardless of what anyone's belief is... I think this says is all

"Under new federal mandates, the plan’s insurance premiums were expected to jump from $839 to $1,392 annually. Deductibles were slated to rise from $100 to $250, Towey said."

Due to federal mandates (according to that statement) Premiums are looking to increase by over 50%...Thanks Govt.

Robertofnaples writes:

I'm willing to wager; Ava Maria hired a non-Ava Maria Lawyer, to solve this most "heated" issue. If these students parents have health insurance, "they" can stay on that until they are 26. Remember Towey was "confused" by the "new" legislation. Now can one understand the pass/fail percentage on the Florida bar by AM students? If a school teaching law; doesn't understand law; how can students be expected to succeed? Rumor has it when Towey gets worked up he says "Tell me about the rabbits again, George". LOL

Ran writes:

in response to privateroad:

obama will pay for it, right? Free health care for everyone , except the elderly.

Obama raised the cost of our health care so we can afford it. Maybe he will include a health spa visit to the Bahamas. It's all health related. Maybe he will throw in a rental car at taxpayer expense.

DinNaples writes:

in response to Pragmatic1:

The New Religious Sensitive Tax Code:
Please select from the various items listed below, which you are not religiously conflicted paying for

* War
* Gay Rights
* Education
* Highway Construction
* The Military
* Social Security
* Police
* Foreign Aid
* Medicare
* Prisons
* Public ransportation
* Farm Subsidies
* Supporting Wealthy People
* Supporting Poor People
* Unemployment Insurance
* Government Research Grants
* The FBI
* Government support for the Arts
* VA Benefits
* Fire Fighters
* Center For Disease Control
* Homeland Security
* The CIA
* Someone else's Congressperson
Please note:
The list will continue to be updated and added to.

Remember, all you have to do is state that paying for these services is counter to your religious believes and, at least according to The Catholic Higher Ups, you should not have to pay for them.

The common good of all? No, according to the Catholic Church, that is supposed to now take a back seat to individual religious freedoms.

How long before Jews and Muslims protest pork served in public or Hindu's want to outlaw slaughtering cows?

We have simply got to get these right wing whack jobs away from any control buttons or sharp objects!

NO MORE NO!

I guess you as a liberal just assume too much. Religious orginizations such as the Catholic Church do not pay taxes and therefore do not support these activities at all.

I guess you don't like that either.

DinNaples writes:

in response to staghorn:

never trust a republican©

Name/Location Employer/Occupation $ Amount Contributed Contributed To Primary/
General Date
MONAGHAN, THOMAS S
NAPLES, FL 34108 AVE MARIA UNIVERSITY/CHANCELLOR $2,500 THE AMERICAN WAY - DURANT 2012 - REPUBLICAN P 12/31/2011
MONAGHAN, THOMAS S
NAPLES, FL 34108 AVE MARIA UNIVERSITY/CHANCELLOR $2,500 THE AMERICAN WAY - DURANT 2012 - REPUBLICAN G 12/31/2011
Monaghan, Thomas S
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/chancellor $500 WALBERG FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN P 09/30/2011
MONAGHAN, TOM MR
ANN ARBOR, MI 48106 AVE MARIA UNIVERSITY/CHANCELLOR $2,500 THE AMERICAN WAY - DURANT 2012 - REPUBLICAN P 09/27/2011
MONAGHAN, THOMAS
NAPLES, FL 34108 AVE MARIA UNIVERSITY/CHANCELLOR $2,400 MARCO RUBIO FOR US SENATE - REPUBLICAN G 10/26/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $500 ROB STEELE FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN G 10/26/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/chancellor $2,400 WALBERG FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN G 09/07/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $244 BRIAN ROONEY FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN P 03/18/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $1,933 BRIAN ROONEY FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN P 03/18/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $495 BRIAN ROONEY FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN G 03/18/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $225 BRIAN ROONEY FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN G 03/18/2010
Monaghan, Thomas
NAPLES, FL 34108 Ave Maria University/Chancellor $1,649 BRIAN ROONEY FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN G 03/18/2010

What's your point?

My guess is you support democrats. So what?

DinNaples writes:

in response to Ask_Alice:

The University says that they no longer require students to carry insurance. This is not a ban on insurance. Most of these kids are still on their parents' health care plans anyway. So what's the big deal? Why attack the Catholic Church? The Catholics have their birth control beliefs, and students who don't agree can find insurance elsewhere.

What a great point. Children are children under the Obama laws until they are 26 years old. No need is there for most college students to pick up insurance.

unfatcat writes:

in response to Bramble:

Where in the Bible does it say contraception is wrong? Where in the insurance policy does it say you have to use contraception or abortion-related services if you don't want to?

So don't buy insurance, but stick your moral plan and don't show up at the emergency room at 3am with a ruptured appendix unless you can cough up $22,000 right there for your lifesaving treatment. You certainly wouldn't expect the heathens to pay for your care, would you?

Contracepton is not practiced in the Bible. Sex is for the purpose of having children; therein also lies the term marriage. Contraception and abortion are not Christian activities, nor are they healthcare as both are generated from self-indulgent practices, not from taking care of one's health. This is the construed misconception.

Moral choice in the U.S. is up to the individual; but you don't have to pay for my percieved risk of bad driving or my perceived bad risk of cigarette smoking, or my risk of building next to water that could flood; I shouldn't have to pay for your choices either. A one-night-stand is a choice for some and a simple, cheap drug store issue. It is not healthcare.

mycophile2 writes:

Cut off your nose (or other parts). This only harms the students. Ideas from the Dark Ages have to survive somewhere.

CarpeVeritas writes:

in response to marcari:

I agree, let's have the debate. But as you have noted, the bigots rule in this forum. The real issue is not contraception, abortion pills, or sterilization...the issue is the first line of the first amendment to our Constitution. The concept of separation of church and state has been, until now, a two way street. In order to adhere to the "free exercise" clause the courts have ruled that self employed Amish don't have to pay social security taxes. One can claim CO status and not have to fight in for this country. Doctors and nurses do not have to perform abortions. There are dozens of Supreme Court decisions which exempt citizens based on matters of religious conviction. The administration is clever, go after the Catholics (as you can see on this forum, enough people hate the "Papists" that it's easy). Wait till they come after you when your convictions require non acquience. Interestingly, I have on tape a quote wherein our president states..."that Muslims must have the right to practice their religion as they see fit"...and ya"ll are worried about the Catholics?

I for one do not hate Catholics. How easy it is for you to sweepingly dismiss harsh criticism that way.

The issue is whether or not any group can impose its will upon others. If a Catholic girl chooses not to use the pill, it is none of my business.

When a university run by a Church will not provide a group plan for others to pay for, because some in that group might do something the Church thinks is wrong, I'm quite entitled to criticize.

Some want US foreign policy to push for war in the Middle East -- Armageddon here we come! Others wish all to bow to their beliefs.

I'll speak out against any morality police state, Evangelical, Catholic, or Islamist.

nstinks writes:

I am not Catholic, but this needs to be listened to and sent around the country.

The priest in this link is spot on accurate in what he is saying.

If America does not take action in this next election, personally, I think we can kiss our country good-bye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltTd81...

nstinks writes:

"The Tipping Point"

The new Naples Tea Party blog entry.

Why we must defeat Obama in November.........

http://www.naplesnews.com/blogs/naple...

wonderful (Inactive) writes:

in response to nstinks:

I am not Catholic, but this needs to be listened to and sent around the country.

The priest in this link is spot on accurate in what he is saying.

If America does not take action in this next election, personally, I think we can kiss our country good-bye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltTd81...

NTW!

If we don't get rid of this gang that can't shoot straight then there won't be any doctors to administer any care. Estimated toll of obamacare on doctors is in the 100,000's.

Interesting note that the NDN doesn't run anymore stories about the gilded one that can be commented on. Must be corporate policy.

And I guess vp joe bin bidden is bidden his time. Word is he has gaffed for the last time!

Keep the faith and this horror show is almost over!

Hurry November!

Jarvis (Inactive) writes:

How many hundreds of millions of dollars have gone into AIDS research, AIDS medications, and other AIDS/HIV treatments that only benefit a small number of homosexuals? Yet, we gladly pay to keep them alive.

Considering that a large number of the homosexual population is Catholic, it makes sense that if we make the Catholics use contraception, there will be less sick homosexuals in the next generation of AIDs patients.

This is a case of spending money upfront in order to save money down the road.

leneggs writes:

this entire fuss is over the insurance of 96 students? Let them either stay on their parents insurance until their are 25 years old...they can now do that because of Obama care. Or they can get their own insurance in the open market which the republicans are always so proud of...it will simply cost them 3 times as much..the price they must pay!!!

jacktanner writes:

in response to tnflga:

Bible thumping fruit cakes! I don't support having to have car insurance either. But the Government says I have too.

Florida motor vehicle self-insurance financial responsibility certification

http://www.flhsmv.gov/ddl/frfaqself_p...

http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes...

Ran writes:

Did you see where Obama is going to spend 20 million of our taxpayer money to promote his unwanted Obamacare. We are supposed to be brainwashed by his 20 million and love Obamacare. It's all about having money for him.

lilme writes:

in response to davebonita:

well several things.

first off, nothing worst than greedy businesses hiding behind religion as a way to cut costs.

i'm fine with churches not having to supply health care to it's priests and nuns but...

but the rest of these so called catholics organizations are business not churches that turn a profit and a rather large one at that. so since they don't want to have govt in their "business", i say fine but make sure they pay their property taxes and give back all the govt money their so eager to take.

plus where's the individuals' freedoms, funny how the catholic church men "know" that all employed women don't want this. what about all the non-catholics' employed by the catholic mega-corporation that will be without these health benefits.

the catholic church is one of the biggest land holders in the USA, let them pay property taxes like the rest of us.

plus any "organization" that needs "RAPE" insurance should just be happy to still be able to fleece the poor slobs that at not smart enough to realize their being lied to too.

I must agree with you....ALL RELIGIONS/RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS SHOULD PAY PROPERTY TAXES! ALL OF THEM!

livinginnaples writes:

Go ahead and make your point at the expense of children's health. That makes sense.

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