Student-led prayer bill heading to Gov. Scott for approval

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TALLAHASSEE — A bill allowing school boards to permit student-initiated prayer and other "inspirational messages" at public school assemblies went to Gov. Rick Scott on Thursday after heated debate in the Florida House.

Supporters argued that returning organized prayer would help cure some the ills that have been plaguing public schools since it was banned by the U.S. Supreme Court. Opponents said the bill would violate the constitutional principle of church-state separation.

"Before inspirational messages were removed from our schools the number one problem was talking out of turn," said Rep. Charles Van Zant. "Today it is drug abuse. Before, the number two problem was chewing gum. Now it is alcohol abuse."

The bill (SB 98) was sponsored by Sen. Gary Siplin, D-Orlando .Van Zant, R-Keystone Heights, sponsored a similar House measure.

"The reality is we are going to get sued on this," said Rep. Jim Waldman, a Coconut Creek Democrat who led the opposition. "It's not even a close call."

The bill refers only to inspirational messages and does not use the word "prayer." Opponents said the term inspirational message is merely a euphemism for prayer, and supporters acknowledged such messages could include prayer.

Rep. Rick Kriseman, D-St. Petersburg, cited a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that rejected an attempt by a New Mexico school district to allow student-led inspirational messages before football games in a failed attempt to get around the constitutional ban on government-sponsored religion.

Scott said he has not seen the bill but added: "As you know I believe in Jesus Christ and I believe that individuals should have the right to say a prayer."

The House's 88-27 roll call was largely along party lines with Republicans for and most but not all Democrats against. It previously passed the Senate 31-8.

The House first rejected two conflicting amendments offered by opponents. One would have required school districts to pay for defending the law against legal challenges. The other would have required to state to pick that expense.

The bill would not require school boards to adopt inspiration message policies, but if they do students would have sole discretion over the content of their messages. Supporters said that would protect the students' right to freedom of religion without government interference.

Kriseman, though, argued that putting students in charge would not save the bill because the Supreme Court has ruled student-led prayers on public property and permitted by the state still violates the constitutional ban on government-sponsored religion.

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anotherPOV writes:

This will cost tax payers millions in court cost. These idiots need to be focusing on speeding up the economic recovery, at least to the point that Republican led Florida catches up to Obama led America.

DonkeyWhispererakaDuh_novan writes:

another waste of our time.

Nusselpan writes:

Will atheists be permitted to offer meditation?

Tony writes:

I don't understand this need to pray in public in school?
Just think of all the places you CAN pray... home, car, park, church or house of worship, work, while taking a walk, etc...

But then again, there is no show involved. Or maybe prayers don't count unless they are observed by many people?

Bramble writes:

Can't wait to see public enthusiasm for this after students deliver a Muslim, Hindu prayers to the captive student audience.

Since teachers and administrators will not be allowed to edit or even read the "message" before it is delivered, there are certain to be some surprises!!

Thanks again to our wise Republican Florida State legislative crusaders and their never-ending quest to force religion (theirs especially) upon us all.

teachtrouble1 writes:

If people understood the founding of our Nation this would not be an issue...seperation of church and state did not mean remove Christ, it was intended by our founding fathers for the state to not have control of religon and religious freedom! Prayer never should have been removed to begin with, maybe we can get our Nation back! Our President does not even "get it"..........yes..........we....are........A.........CHRISTIAN NATION!...........let us PRAY!

The_Mongoose writes:

Can't wait for the complaints by a few about students praying east-ward...I'm sure this "freedom" is only intended for a select religion.

swfljim writes:

This will never be upheld in court and will cost the state millions to defend.
Much like Florida's effort to join six other states in a court challenge to the Obama administration's birth control coverage mandate.
This state doesn't have the money to adequately cover health coverage for the poor, fully fund education programs or assist homeless veterans but when it comes to pandering to their evangelical base-the Republican party will never run out of money to prove their loyalty.
By the way-to the tea party fools who elected Rick Scott and his G-O-P cohorts in the state legislature-where is their much promised "get-tough" on illegal immigration law?
I guess they don't have time for such meaningless law making-they are busy doing God's work.
Onward Christian soldiers!

SunStar writes:

Remember, the moment we started pulling out God from schools & public places, He removed his shield above our nation. "God Bless America" did not have any relevance anymore...and we face tough challenges one after another...with no light at the end of the tunnel!

leneggs writes:

in response to teachtrouble1:

If people understood the founding of our Nation this would not be an issue...seperation of church and state did not mean remove Christ, it was intended by our founding fathers for the state to not have control of religon and religious freedom! Prayer never should have been removed to begin with, maybe we can get our Nation back! Our President does not even "get it"..........yes..........we....are........A.........CHRISTIAN NATION!...........let us PRAY!

Please get your head out of the sand....this is not and was never intended to be a CHRISTIAN nation and how small minded of you to think so.

swfljim writes:

I have to assume that everyone who has posted here in support of this latest G-O-P attempt at ridiculousness will have no objection and fully support the Islamic student who reads to his classmates from the Quran.

leneggs writes:

in response to SunStar:

Remember, the moment we started pulling out God from schools & public places, He removed his shield above our nation. "God Bless America" did not have any relevance anymore...and we face tough challenges one after another...with no light at the end of the tunnel!

I am not suggesting that we remove God from everything but for you to believe that your God is the only God is where I have a problem.

teachtrouble1 writes:

in response to leneggs:

Please get your head out of the sand....this is not and was never intended to be a CHRISTIAN nation and how small minded of you to think so.

lolololol.......so I'm small minded.........well....actually, NO.....I understand the documented intent and history of this Nation and the founding Fathers drive and direction..........you, on the other hand, could learn by opening a book. Have a great day.

NaplesShmaples writes:

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derrina1 writes:

in response to teachtrouble1:

If people understood the founding of our Nation this would not be an issue...seperation of church and state did not mean remove Christ, it was intended by our founding fathers for the state to not have control of religon and religious freedom! Prayer never should have been removed to begin with, maybe we can get our Nation back! Our President does not even "get it"..........yes..........we....are........A.........CHRISTIAN NATION!...........let us PRAY!

We are not entirely a Christian nation. If I have to put up with your baloney religion then you'll have to give me equal time for my other religion. Pray ... fine then observe my prayers too and while we are at it, how about Scientology, Paganism, and every other religion.

we are a secular nation. A real teacher would know this (well unless you're a teacher at Ave Maria)

beerbong writes:

How about this, All non believers, face away from the class, and breathe deep for 60 seconds. And keep quite. Christians pray, Muslims face east and do what you do. See we all got a 60 second break. We should all be happy.

titanbite writes:

Collier county teacher; "Now,repeat after little Johnny class,are we all ready,ok,go,"Allah u Ahkbar,God is great",very good class,little Johnny is a Muslim and his inspirational message asks if you can all say,"Mohammed,peace be upon him",that's it,excellent student's,just excellent!"

Collier county teacher; "I know you have a lot of questions about Islam now that we have a chance to hear other student's inspirational messages,before that,our student's didn't have any interest in faiths other than Christianity,but,not any more!

So,why don't we sit in a circle and allow little Johnny to go into detail about his inspirational message,you know,why do Sunni's hate Shi'ite's and stuff like that,then,we'll listen to Amy's inspirational message,she's a Jehovah's Witness and they don't celebrate Christmas like Billy's family does,but,Amy's family doesn't worship their invisible superhero while wrangling rattlesnakes like Timmy's family,we were going to work on our vocabulary skills,but,it would be such fun to learn about the religions of the world instead."

Collier county teacher; "We'll put down our math and science books and discuss everyone's religion for the rest of the school year,we'll clear up all of the religious confusion,won't that be fun class?!"

Don't ya just love inspiration!

rlberkley writes:

in response to teachtrouble1:

If people understood the founding of our Nation this would not be an issue...seperation of church and state did not mean remove Christ, it was intended by our founding fathers for the state to not have control of religon and religious freedom! Prayer never should have been removed to begin with, maybe we can get our Nation back! Our President does not even "get it"..........yes..........we....are........A.........CHRISTIAN NATION!...........let us PRAY!

You are way off base. The first amendment as two sections concerning religion. The first prohibits the establishment of religion by the government and the second prohibits the government from restricting the personal expression of religion. These two clauses conflict when government resources, such as buildings, are to be used for the free exercise of religion since use of government property amounts to condoning religion and violates the disestablishment clause. This question is not at all clear cut.

As for the U.S. being a "Christian" nation. George Washington wrote, "The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support."

The U.S. is not a Christian country, rather it is a country where a majority is Christian. There is a big difference.

Brer_Rabbit writes:

in response to leneggs:

I am not suggesting that we remove God from everything but for you to believe that your God is the only God is where I have a problem.

Tread lightly on your words for it is so written in Deuteronomy 13: 6-10 that " If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery."

Shaawe writes:

in response to SoldierStrong:

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Ok, then why don't you enlighten us on this one, wannabe soldier? How do you get it to be "stupidest post of the year? I can't wait to read your answer, lol.

Bramble writes:

in response to swfljim:

This will never be upheld in court and will cost the state millions to defend.
Much like Florida's effort to join six other states in a court challenge to the Obama administration's birth control coverage mandate.
This state doesn't have the money to adequately cover health coverage for the poor, fully fund education programs or assist homeless veterans but when it comes to pandering to their evangelical base-the Republican party will never run out of money to prove their loyalty.
By the way-to the tea party fools who elected Rick Scott and his G-O-P cohorts in the state legislature-where is their much promised "get-tough" on illegal immigration law?
I guess they don't have time for such meaningless law making-they are busy doing God's work.
Onward Christian soldiers!

So true! The Tea Party and Repubs talk tough on illegal immigration, but when they have the chance to actually DO something about it, they fold up like tissue paper.

Then they brag on about getting government out of our lives and then pass bills forcing prayer in schools and placing restrictions and obstacles on family planning options.

What a bunch of fakers and frauds. I'm done with them.

woods311 writes:

Leave kids out of politics, and religion out of politics.

Time for "I.L.A.C."

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

Let's take a look at the what the Bible says about public prayer.

You know: That Bible which the holy rollers wave in our faces when they want to condemn abortion, homosexuality and contraception.

From the Gospel of Matthew 6:1-6 we read:
“and whenever you pray, do not be like the HYPOCRITES; for they love to stand and pray at the street corners so that they may be seen by others.”
Jesus said: “go into your room, shut the door and pray” (Matthew 6)

Jesus ALSO said: “woe to you HYPOCRITES”. See the connection?

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

Now, if you have the patience to read the following; you will understand the concept of "PRAYER".

Prayer is a NUNBERS GAME.

Each day, hundreds of millions of people PRAY for something.
In a LOTTERY of this size it is only a matter of time before a random number of faithful realize their wishes simply because of the LARGE NUMBER of tickets (or prayers) in the pool.
The REST of the prayers are the losers; and we never hear about THEM.
(ie. A relative is near death and the family prays for recovery. The relative recovers, and BINGO; the lord heard our prayers.

Yet the fortunate ignore the thousands of OTHER deserving people in the same circumstance; who DIED after prayer.
(The Christian Science Clergy and spokespeople are notorious for this exploitation of the miracle number’s racket)

So each time a person PRAYS for something, that person becomes the holder of a PRAYER LOTTERY TICKET; and just like the millions of people in the FLORIDA LOTTERY, the faithful keep buying tickets in the hope that THEIR "prayer ticket" will be answered.

The occasional winner then gives hope to the rest: hence people keep investing in Prayer Lottery Tickets.

The same "miraculous" results would occur if the people of ALL faiths prayed to a RED DRUM.

That is why for thousands of years Native Americans continued to worship nature, and ancient Egyptians received good fortune after praying to the God of the Nile.
They had their prayers answered too; or so they thought.
Prayer, outside of some psychological comfort; is all superstitious rubbish; and the outcome of any prayer; is no more valid then this weeks drawing of THE LOTTERY.

This also explains why bad things happen to good people, and the opposite.

In the FLORIDA Lottery, the big winner is the STATE. (the House)
In the PRAYER lottery, the big winner is THE CLERGY (the House); hence the clergy keeps pushing prayer; AND the collection basket;
as today's peasants perpetuate the superstitions begun by a long-dead religious dissident, a prostitute, and 12 outcasts of society.

FlatEarthSocietyMamber writes:

Can a student bring Eddie Filer to school for show and tell?

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

While I am at it:

Here is the truth behind the MIRACLE Racket.
Holy apparitions are the result of randomness, wishful thinking or the over-exuberant imagination.

There are millions of tree stumps, rusting oil tanks, grottos and windows, and each day various shapes or apparitions are appearing in (or on) one or more of them.
You might see an cat figure, Mickey Mouse or the shape of a wagon wheel, but no one gets excited because Mickey Mouse is not a god.

The face of Adolph Hitler for instance once appeared on the side of a cliff after a rock slide. (Northern Valley Tribune 4/18/41); Natural ROCK FACES can be seen all over America, there were at least 40 unsuccessful attempts on Hitler’s life, and apparitions are said to be seen all over Charleston, South Carolina.
Miracles?

Other perfectly reasonably-sounding people speak of apparitions of Bigfoot, sea monsters, space aliens and flying saucers.

So you see, it is just a matter of time before the random pattern of natural phenomena matches up with what we were led to believe is HOLY, in the form of the particular apparition that one is LOOKING FOR.

One then focuses on IT, the one which FITS IN with their particular religion; with the subjective elimination of all the others; which are saved for someone ELSE’S religion, interest, belief or whatever.
T
he occurrence of a nun who recovered from illness after praying to Pope John Paul II was not the result of a miracle; nor was it in response to prayer.
You See: Each day millions of sick people pray to the pope. In a LOTTERY of this size it is only a matter of time before a random number of faithful heal after prayer simply because of the large number of tickets (or prayers) in the pool. (As I mentioned earlier)

The Vatican pulls off the Scam SUCCESSFULLY because it holds ALL THE TICKETS in the lottery it chooses to run. (MILLIONS of faithful prayers to choose from)
ie: If YOU always held ALL the tickets in the Florida Lottery, you would win; and you would have YOUR Miracle.

THIS time the Church ran a lottery to canonize John Paul II. So out of the few hundred or so winners out of the millions of prayers; it found a Tailor-made winner in its inventory; and THAT is the one the Vatican Zeros in on.

Miracles and prayers; “god bless America, In god we trust”: Juicy baits which catch a lot of fish; as the clergy keeps the faithful snapping at the dangling carrot of Eternal Salvation; and makes a good living doing it.

sandytoes writes:

I pray this is overturned.

Colorado (Inactive) writes:

in response to teachtrouble1:

If people understood the founding of our Nation this would not be an issue...seperation of church and state did not mean remove Christ, it was intended by our founding fathers for the state to not have control of religon and religious freedom! Prayer never should have been removed to begin with, maybe we can get our Nation back! Our President does not even "get it"..........yes..........we....are........A.........CHRISTIAN NATION!...........let us PRAY!

You are so brainwashed that you don't understand what religion can do to a country. Look at Iran for example, that's what you will get here. We are not, repeat not a christian nation. We are secular. There is another point that is far more important than keeping the government separated from religion and that is keeping religion away from the government.

woods311 writes:

in response to FlatEarthSocietyMamber:

Can a student bring Eddie Filer to school for show and tell?

God's gonna get you for that.

big_peach_e writes:

Thank God for the Republicans. They promised jobs in 2010, but all we got was votes on s----- wedge issues like prayer in schools, interference with how MD's practice medicine, and stealing the meager pensions from our teachers, police and firemen. But where are the jobs???? Well at least now our kids can pray for a job. Because the Republicans won't be helping them.

SunStar writes:

in response to leneggs:

I am not suggesting that we remove God from everything but for you to believe that your God is the only God is where I have a problem.

Every nation was built upon a belief based foundation. We cannot just disregard it. This nation gives all the freedom to minorities as well, and do not force you into any belief, but it does not mean we give up our tradition! Also, every immigrant should learn English as the common language. It's for their benefit only, so they can communicate well with other minorities & the community as a whole. Otherwise we need to learn all languages out there...and it's quite not practical!

baldygrandpa writes:

in response to SunStar:

Every nation was built upon a belief based foundation. We cannot just disregard it. This nation gives all the freedom to minorities as well, and do not force you into any belief, but it does not mean we give up our tradition! Also, every immigrant should learn English as the common language. It's for their benefit only, so they can communicate well with other minorities & the community as a whole. Otherwise we need to learn all languages out there...and it's quite not practical!

When you get out of 3rd grade come back.

Pragmatic1 writes:

And will Muslims and other non- Christian religions be allowed to pray openly and express their religious preferences?

staghorn writes:

in response to swfljim:

This will never be upheld in court and will cost the state millions to defend.
Much like Florida's effort to join six other states in a court challenge to the Obama administration's birth control coverage mandate.
This state doesn't have the money to adequately cover health coverage for the poor, fully fund education programs or assist homeless veterans but when it comes to pandering to their evangelical base-the Republican party will never run out of money to prove their loyalty.
By the way-to the tea party fools who elected Rick Scott and his G-O-P cohorts in the state legislature-where is their much promised "get-tough" on illegal immigration law?
I guess they don't have time for such meaningless law making-they are busy doing God's work.
Onward Christian soldiers!

rick scott and his klan are helping take the country back, back to the 11th century.

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starrynight writes:

in response to titanbite:

Collier county teacher; "Now,repeat after little Johnny class,are we all ready,ok,go,"Allah u Ahkbar,God is great",very good class,little Johnny is a Muslim and his inspirational message asks if you can all say,"Mohammed,peace be upon him",that's it,excellent student's,just excellent!"

Collier county teacher; "I know you have a lot of questions about Islam now that we have a chance to hear other student's inspirational messages,before that,our student's didn't have any interest in faiths other than Christianity,but,not any more!

So,why don't we sit in a circle and allow little Johnny to go into detail about his inspirational message,you know,why do Sunni's hate Shi'ite's and stuff like that,then,we'll listen to Amy's inspirational message,she's a Jehovah's Witness and they don't celebrate Christmas like Billy's family does,but,Amy's family doesn't worship their invisible superhero while wrangling rattlesnakes like Timmy's family,we were going to work on our vocabulary skills,but,it would be such fun to learn about the religions of the world instead."

Collier county teacher; "We'll put down our math and science books and discuss everyone's religion for the rest of the school year,we'll clear up all of the religious confusion,won't that be fun class?!"

Don't ya just love inspiration!

Hey, you missed out us atheists! Oh, I guess we'll just let the religions fight it out. Should be fun to watch.

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

SOLDIERSTRONG:
First: Thanks for reading my post.

Now here is an example of how the Church exploits prayer as a NUMBER'S RACKET; and we let them get away with it without question.

The HIGH PRIEST Archbishop Cardinal O Connor of New York had A Prayer Session begging god to preserve the definition of marriage. (before the vote on Gay Marriage was taken in N.Y).

Now, since Gay Marriage PASSED; then god either IGNORED the prayers of the High Priest; in which case god AGREES that Gays should get married;
OR:
Prayer is useless, and heard by nothing.

Certainly, if Gay Marriage DIDN'T pass, the first thing the Cardinal would have said is: The Lord Heard Our Prayers.
Yet one will not hear the Archbishop now state that god APPROVES of gay marriage.

So here the Archbishop plays by the rule: heads I win; tails I lose nothing
-and the faithful keep taking the bait; filling the pews, and writing the checks.

The faithful never ask the questions:
If god is against gay marriage; why doesn't god hear our prayers?
If god loves life; why does god continue to allow the slaughter of the unborn; DISPITE our prayers.

Obviously: God is indifferent with respect to abortion and Gay Marriage, or there is no god.

Choose one.

tiedyeted writes:

Bhudists, Hindus, Agnostics, Muslims, Jews, Jains, Democrats and Athiests need not apply.

WizeOlMarco writes:

OK students, feel free to to stand up and publically denounce religion...just saying...free speach and freedom comes in many shapes.

SayMan writes:

As for Scott's opinion...

“Do you really mean to tell me the only reason you try to be good is to gain God's approval and reward, or to avoid his disapproval and punishment? That's not morality, that's just sucking up, apple-polishing, looking over your shoulder at the great surveillance camera in the sky, or the still small wiretap inside your head, monitoring your every move, even your every base thought.”
― Richard Dawkins

FlatEarthSocietyMamber writes:

in response to woods311:

God's gonna get you for that.

Oh No Not Zeus!

No2biggov writes:

This kind of stuff just scares Liberals to death! The idea of prayer any where in public intimidates them! Watch out for the religious right, they are evil in their intent you will say!
Do what you're good at Libs, spew the hatred below!Don't forget to blame Bush somehow!

2tellthetruth writes:

Calm down people. The first amendment GUARANTEES freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. It furthermore states that Congress cannot make laws prohibiting the free exercise thereof. If people want to pray publicly, they are allowed to do so according to our Constitution. Besides, this bill relates to student-led prayer. The school officials would not be the ones leading it so there is "separation of church and state" since the students are not state employees.

2tellthetruth writes:

in response to leneggs:

Please get your head out of the sand....this is not and was never intended to be a CHRISTIAN nation and how small minded of you to think so.

Your words bare semblance to a questionable article in the Treaty of Tripoli (1796). However, let me familiarize you with the Treaty of Paris (1783): It is well known that by this Treaty England recognized America as independent. It begins with the following words: In the name of the most Holy and undivided Trinity. If the U.S. was not founded on Christian principles, why would a founding document start with these words?

2tellthetruth writes:

in response to Pragmatic1:

And will Muslims and other non- Christian religions be allowed to pray openly and express their religious preferences?

Why not? I am a Christian but would be horrified if other religions were silenced or excluded from this bill. Freedom to choose your religion and to freely express it is one of the many reasons America is such a great nation.

anotherPOV writes:

in response to SunStar:

Remember, the moment we started pulling out God from schools & public places, He removed his shield above our nation. "God Bless America" did not have any relevance anymore...and we face tough challenges one after another...with no light at the end of the tunnel!

Great example of being blinded by faith. When was God removed from school? Was it in the 1800's? Must of been that's when we "faced" the Civil War. Or maybe it was the begininning of the 1900's when we "faced" WWI followed by WWII. No, maybe it was the 1950's when we "faced" a nuclear Russia and the cold war.
Did we remove God in the 1960's when we "faced" the Vietnam war? You religious nuts are very good at ignoring the obvious and clinging to your superstitions.

2tellthetruth writes:

in response to WizeOlMarco:

OK students, feel free to to stand up and publically denounce religion...just saying...free speach and freedom comes in many shapes.

True. However, those wanting to stand up and *publicly* denounce religion can legally do so now (free *speech*). Those wanting to stand up and pray in a school setting cannot do so legally (hence the need for this bill). I call this making the playing field even. By the way, spell check much?

2tellthetruth writes:

in response to godsize71:

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this country by no means was founded on christianity..
I RECOMMEND YOU READ ORIGINAL INTENT BY DAVID BARTON. THEN COME BACK WITH YOUR FACTS AND PROVE THAT THE US WAS NOT FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES.

thats a fact that cant be questioned..
SEE ABOVE

this violates seperation of church and state..
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT TERM CAME FROM? I GUARANTEE IT IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK.

this is a fact that cant be questioned..
AGAIN, SEE ABOVE

schools are meant for teaching kids basic life skills..math, science..etc...
THOSE ARE SUBJECTS NOT LIFE SKILLS. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. SCHOOLS SHOULD BE AND ARE TEACHING THESE SUBJECTS AS FAR AS I KNOW. THE ONLY THING IS, NOWHERE IN THIS ARTICLE DOES IT SAY THAT SCHOOLS WILL BE TEACHING RELIGION OR LEADING THE PRAYER. THIS BILL WILL SIMPLY ALLOW THOSE WHO WANT TO PRAY TO DO SO. IT WILL BE STUDENT-LED, NOT TEACHER (I.E. GOVT EMPLOYEE) LED. STUDENTS WILL NOT BE GRADED ON PARTICIPATION.

church is for teaching FACTLESS UNPROVABLE MEANINGLESS nonsense.. (IN YOUR OPINION, BUT NOT IN MINE. I AM SORRY THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT UP WITH MY RIGHT TO FREELY EXCERCISE MY RELIGION AS GUARANTEED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT BY OPENLY PRAYING ON SCHOOL GROUND IF I SO WISH. SUCKS TO BE YOU, HUH?)

if real xtians would follow their own BS bible and see that jesus says to pray in closet..
YOU CAN MAKE ANYTHING SOUND LIKE YOU WANT IT TO WHEN TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. SEE ACTS 20:36 FOR A BRIEF VERSE ON PUBLIC PRAYER IN THE BIBLE. I AM SURE THERE ARE OTHERS.

keep your trash to yourself. (ONE MAN'S TRASH IS ANOTHER ONE TREASURE)

mangy_coon writes:

It is so fun watching the opponent's head spin and vomit pea soup.

No2biggov writes:

in response to godsize71:

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I think you could say that this country was founded "by and for" Christians, based in Judeo-Christian principles. I can't seem to find anywhere in my "pocket" Constitution that states anything about the separation of church and state but it's not the first time the anti-Christian secular left has tried to tell the rest of us this assumed unwritten fact is in the First Ammendment somewhere between the lines!
Actually, the schools might as well be teaching "Factless unprovable meaningless" nonsense rather than the Marxist, Socialist fecal matter the unions and the statists are having the teachers teach! Perhaps you should listen to your own liturgy and keep your trash to YOURSELF!

staghorn writes:

any word on when rick scott is going to bring that arizona type immigration law to florida?
any word on when rick scott is going to rid the state of florida of all illegals?

after all rick scott did 'promise' he would do that when he was campaigning to be florda's governor.

i guess the republican lemmings of florida have forgotten about those rick scott failed 'promises.'

thanks rick scott

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