Letters to the Editor: Aug. 5, 2011

Letter of the Day: The American way

Editor, Daily News:

As smart as the drafters of the Declaration of Independence were, one has to wonder if they made a huge mistake in running away from England.

Granted, they recognized the economic mother lode the virgin North American continent represented, but it’s not obvious they anticipated how the government they formed would perform when the country became fully developed.

There was also some trepidation among the general public of that time period because even though the U.S. Constitution was ratified by all the states, the vote for ratification was hardly unanimous within those states.

One would guess that if they could fast forward and observe the performance of our current dysfunctional, corrupt (life has taught us that all humans are corruptible) government, they may have made a different decision.

As much as we Americans want to thump our chests and declare we’re the best, just think of how politically, economically and environmentally screwed up we are, and it only took us 235 years to do it.

Were the Tories right?

Hey, maybe if we beg them, they’ll take us back.

— Henry S. Kolesinski

Naples

Would Rick pick?

Editor, Daily News:

Re: News article featuring Gov. Rick Scott sampling working life by selling doughnuts in a shop to see what this thing we call work is all about.

Cute.

I would like to suggest that his next “work experience” gig should be picking tomatoes in Immokalee.

That would make for a great photo op, I should think, with the Coalition of Immokalee Workers, as he lifts up his 30-pound bucket to turn in.

— Frank Dowd

Naples

Differences come clear

Editor, Daily News:

After watching the debates on raising the debt limit, it is as plain as the nose on your face where the problem lies.

The Democrats are addicted to spending and raising taxes. The Republicans are trying to cut spending and lower taxes to bring the economy back and require the government to live within a balanced budget.

It is the goal of every American family to spend less than they earn. So why then shouldn’t the government do the same?

America’s debt problem won’t be solved by the debates in Congress. The problem will be solved at the ballot box in 2012. Only a Republican in the White House and Republican majorities in the House and Senate will put us on the road to recovery.

Unfortunately, the recovery will take years to overcome a $14 trillion debt.

Let’s hope we can last until the roadblocks are removed.

— J.N. Miranda

Naples

Peace be with us

Editor, Daily News:

Re: July 28 “Heart to Heart” column headlined “Still overcoming the loss of a 30-year-old daughter” by community contributor Laurie Martin.

After reading this absolutely beautiful narration about loss and death I was compelled to reread the touching, nourishing and mentally powerful article a second time and more.

It was hard to hold back the tears because the comments pertain to death at any age, not just one at 30 (perhaps more difficult to deal with than someone elderly). If you have not read her comments, do research and look up the July 28 article again.

I am going to save it, not only for myself, but also for sending to others who have lost a loved one.

We will all answer to that final call from God.

Words such as those written by Martin are comforting for our experience to be close and connect that energy given of “love, goodness and beauty” to all of us.

No matter how humble we are, we remember our loved ones by their “wholeness and divinity.”

Each and every one of us has a “purpose and lesson.”

As our loved ones let go, we have more compassion to give to others.

May you feel peace now and forever.

Thank you, Laurie Martin, for an elegantly fine, well-written message of courage.

— Johanna McMichael

Estero

Let’s make it like new

Editor, Daily News:

Do we, the United States, always have to have an enemy?

Yes we do. In this way we can invade them, stay for 10 years, give them as many billions of dollars as they can steal.

This renders us impotent, unable to pay our own bills.

But remember, this is the great America with untold dollars to give. You can have your share too. Just become our enemy!

Our largess to Pakistan is now $18.8 billion. And how about this for chutzpah? Iraq is going to buy 36 F-16 fighter jets from us, and they demand our troops train and maintain each unit, all, of course, with the money they stole from us!

As for the 535 elected do-nothing representatives in Washington, plus one, when are we all going to rise up and say, “We are not going to take it anymore”? Withdraw our 1.6 million military personnel from around the world. Let countries police themselves, settle this shameful stalemate and concentrate on putting this country back on a solid road to recovery and prosperity.

Once upon a time a long time ago, I thought this was my America, the land I loved; but I never thought I would grow old and witness it in such a lamentable state.

— Oliver Marcelli

Naples

Up to keeping it down?

Editor, Daily News:

Elect Warren Buffett.

It is time we Americans wake up.

It is our fault completely. We elected these people to represent us. They are incompetent and they have failed.

Buffett has it right. Maybe we should elect him.

He was quoted on CNBC as having the answer to our debt-ceiling problems: “I could end the deficit in five minutes,” he told CNBC. “You just pass a law that says that any time there is a deficit of more than 3 percent of GDP (gross domestic product), all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election.”

— Tom LeRoy

Naples

Appropriate?

Editor, Daily News:

I look at the obituary column and I see these beautiful ladies and handsome gentlemen and I feel so sad.

Then, upon reading the information beneath the pictures, I see they are mostly in their 80s and 90s.

Alas, could we deem it appropriate to use a more recent picture?

— Carol Maher

Naples

Work in progress

Editor, Daily News:

A simple thought:

It takes more than three years to repair the damage caused by eight years of a Republican president

— Paul Orzech

Bonita Springs

Deal shmeal

Editor, Daily News:

This congressional “deal” doesn’t come close to the reductions needed, proposing $2.4 trillion in “cuts” over 10 years. Smoke and mirrors!

The last nine years of this “promise” are not worth the paper it’s on.

A $2.4 billion “cut” the first year sounds OK, until you remember we spend $1.4 trillion more each year than we take in!

Congress is terrified of the balanced-budget amendment; but don’t worry, if it passes, they will find ways around it with exceptions and allow presidential exemptions as political handouts just like Obamacare.

Does Congress notice the CNN poll (hardly confused as being right wing) showing 66 percent of voters favor cut, cap and balance, and 74 percent favor a balanced-budget amendment?

More frightening, however, is congressional Democrats ignore the poll revealing 61 percent of Democrats favor cut, cap and balance! Considering at least 40 percent of Democrat voters are on the federal dole, that should be alarming!

Look what has happened to Obamacare. Government agencies now admit it will increase costs. Did anyone think otherwise? You cannot add 30 million people and also cut costs.

Polls show 74 percent want repeal of all or part of Obamacare. That is essentially unanimous, since 26 percent will vote against anything!

I have said for years, the way to a balanced budget would be a law stating if there is a deficit, every cent of pay and allowance of Congress would go.

This would result in a balanced budget within 30 minutes!

— Donavin A. Baumgartner Jr.

Naples

Write and wrong

Editor, Daily News:

Fred Yarrington, in his July 26 letter to the editor, wrote that I should be a little more careful with my vocabulary. He then goes on to quote his dictionary about the meaning of the words “hallowed” and “sacred.”

He said that hallowed means “greatly revered or respected” and that sacred is defined as “regarded with great respect and reverence by a particular religion, group or individual.”

His definitions are the same as mine, because reverence has religious connotations. I can’t see how his vocabulary was any different than mine — so why was he castigating me?

Yarrington went on to say that my points of view are unusual.

I always try to write letters with a different point of view from what others write. The letters to the editor would be boring if we all wrote about the same thing. I try to bring up subjects that very few people consider important enough to explore.

Most people don’t write letters to the editor or even talk in public about what they think, so it is hard to determine what is usual or unusual. I know there are lots of other people who agree with me about what I write, but they don’t write letters to the paper. Fear keeps a lot of people from speaking out about what they think.

In my writings, I try to do what I can to help people understand that greed, selfishness and ignorance cause most of our problems and hinder progress.

— Eddie Filer

Naples Park

Ready to flip that switch?

Editor, Daily News:

Re: Mileage standards and CFLs (compact fluorescent lamps).

Two questions:

I have two old cars that average around 20 mpg. They will be replaced, probably, with 40-mpg cars. How will the governments (state and federal) survive when I pay half the gasoline tax?

The mandated CFL bulbs contain mercury. What plans have our brilliant legislators devised to keep the hazardous material out of the environment?

— Jim Brock

North Naples

He doesn’t get it

Editor, Daily News:

On Monday, Rep. Connie Mack IV, R-Fort Myers, voted against America by opposing the debt ceiling plan in the U.S. House.

Does he not understand what is at stake?

He is an amateur trying to play high-stakes poker with his so-called penny plan.

— Martin F. Klingenberg

Naples

Solvent?

Editor, Daily News:

On Tuesday I read in a subheadline, “Historic last-minute legislation passes to keep government solvent.”

Now in my Funk and Wagnalls dictionary, solvent is defined as “having the means sufficient to pay all debts; having more assets than liabilities.”

By no stretch of the imagination can this country be considered to be solvent, and I think it is a disservice to your readers to even hint at the idea that this is what the recent discussions have been about. They have been about going even more deeply in debt.

I am told that if the U.S. government stopped spending money today and began paying $100 million a day toward the debt, it would take 389 years to pay off the debt that we now have.

Does that sound like “solvent” to you?

— John Miller

North Naples

Bickering over the debt

Editor, Daily News:

The ranting and raving between our Washington leaders over our national debt and how, as a country, we are going to go forward, has resembled a cheesy reality show — “The Bickersons Negotiate a Divorce.”

The Bickersons will never compromise, each side believing they’ve given up the greater share of the assets once an agreement has been settled.

The Bickersons don’t consider how their behavior has affected their loved ones.

Mr. and Mrs. Bickerson each strive to be considered right over the other.

I feel like the child of divorce right now. I’m relieved that a compromise has been achieved, but I’m exhausted from the process.

I’m washing my hands of all of our elected officials on Capitol Hill. We all deserve to have people in government who can think outside the box and find creative solutions as a team. That’s what successfully married people do. That’s what almost every household in America has been faced with during this difficult time.

Or maybe that’s why there’s a 50 percent divorce rate.

Think about it.

— Sally Kellogg

Naples

Agree or else

Editor, Daily News:

I strongly support the idea of no incumbents being re-elected.

I further suggest those who do not support this are the problem.

— Michael Lavin

Naples

She rocks

Editor, Daily News:

I am a constituent of Commissioner Georgia Hiller in District 2.

From what I read in the newspaper reporting, Hiller is representing us as she was elected to do. She especially deserves our respect for helping defeat the Jackson Laboratory effort, which most people in the county opposed.

Hiller seeks a depth of information before making her voting decisions, information to which she is entitled.

She appears to be working hard to do the right thing. Let’s give her a chance by supporting positive efforts she is making.

— Louise Dowd

Naples

Take me to our leaders

Editor, Daily News:

If we can spend billions and billions of dollars on a robotic mission to Mars, we can afford to help the needy earthlings.

— Stephen McLean

Naples

Capitol size-up

Editor, Daily News:

What are we to think of an opposition-controlled legislative body whose head has often stated that his first priority is to defeat the sitting president rather than — it can easily be surmised — do the work of the nation?

The opposing party, according to its actions, has done everything in its power to assure that the president cannot succeed — this so they can ultimately take over the reins of power.

This same opposing political party has also done everything it can to help corporations and the rich to avoid their obligations while placing the burden on the poor and working class.

Have they forgotten who produces the wealth for their favored constituents? Could they eventually meet the fate of an Arab spring — a revolt of the working class?

Members of our immediate family served and variously sacrificed in both world wars. I served in Vietnam, our son served 22 years in the military and our daughter, until she passed away, served the nation as a prosecutor in the Department of Justice.

I often wonder if our family’s commitment to the nation, as well as that of all members of the U.S. military, is not somewhat wasted on those self-serving congressmen currently spinning their wheels in Washington, D.C.

— Dr. Bob Bachand

Estero

‘Not in our stars’

Editor, Daily News:

As I write today, the great country I love and know is standing on the edge of a political and economic knife.

More importantly, we now use words and phrases that are, to say the least, troubling. The right wing calls the left wing fascists and communists, and vice versa. The voices of reason on both sides are being shouted down every day, with even the most sensible approach being ignored.

How sad. Or perhaps, in the immortal words of the Shakespearean play “Julius Caesar,” “The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings.”

Ultimately, we have no one to hold responsible but ourselves for what we get of our elected leaders, my friends. We elect these people to power, expecting the world of them, and are shocked to discover that gambling is going on in the establishment (to paraphrase the movie “Casablanca.”)

Here’s a new thought to those we vote to lead us every election: Do the right thing, and knock off the second-grade behavior, or we, the people, will place you all in our own permanent “time out” — that is, we will remember all of you at the polls (Democrats and Republicans alike) next election.

Let’s hope our elected leaders always remember that their boss is us, and we demand better performance than what we are getting right now.

— Jonathon Edwards

Naples

‘Bonk’ and done

Editor, Daily News:

There is a very good reason the Three Stooges are still hugely popular today, some 40 years after the release of their last movie short.

The Stooges had the longest lasting series in the history of movies — a 40-year run!

In various trio combinations, they made 190 film shorts. They were also an in-demand smash hit during the vaudeville years.

Why were they so successful? The Stooges personified lunacy, mayhem and chaos, a total disregard of normal behavior and, most importantly, total disregard for authority, manners and pompous louts. In the world of the Three Stooges, problems were solved by bonking somebody on the head with a frying pan or a salami. Genius!

In the scary and uncertain age we live in today, tension reigns. The Stooges appeal to our inner demons who would drive us to hit our obnoxious neighbor or that imperious civil servant over the head with a frying pan or a two-by-four. Problem solved in three seconds.

Unfortunately, we can’t do the same.

But see the brilliance?

Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck!

— Phillip M. Donovan

Naples

Speak up or ship out

Editor, Daily News:

We taxpayers who are paying for President Barack Obama’s cadre of czars think it’s about time they report on the great accomplishments they have achieved and what these achievements have cost.

Then, if no results, they should resign immediately.

— H.R. Buttleman

Fort Myers

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anicou writes:

First!!!! For the first time. OLE!

woods311 writes:

We meet again.

Got a question.

When you google a subject, out of a cazillion hits, how many do you check out?

In doing my part, to continue to contribute, in some small measure, to the entertainment value of the forum, bulge the bandwidth, and drive traffic to this segment of cyberspace, where folks click their way and gather, to get

"O.F.F. on the Naples Daily News,."

I would like to point out to the sages and prognosticators of the forum, If you want your stuff to be read, you got to be in the first fifty, or make smaller cut and pastes, or really have something good to say. Not judgement, just observation.

Some of us just don't have that long, and do have a crap filter.

Thank you for your contributions one and all, toward making the forum what it is.

I am so happy for you to see me here again.

Where else can you have this much fun, for free?

Good morning or evening everyone !!

"I.L.A.C."

woods311 writes:

I just love playing second, to you.

BlueManMao writes:

La Dolce Vita!

Italy’s influence on American markets today…. accounted for 300 of the 500 point drop in our stock exchange.

Italy’s monetary crisis is much more dangerous than the problems facing Greece and Ireland. Italians have been in utter and abject denial about their economy for the better part of a decade.

And why should they change the way that they have always lived? Surely the Germans will bail them out and all will be fine.

Shops and cafes have been packed as usual for the last few years… and Italians have been spending, spending, promenading and buying new ensembles with expensive matching leather boots… borrowing and charging and living La Dolce Vita all on borrowed Euros.

La Dolce Vita… but in reality… more like La Vida Loca.

anicou writes:

Isn'it funny! You and I had the same timing. LOL!

anicou writes:

Dow plunges 513 points. It didn't happen since 2008.
Are we starting an other recession?

GoneFishin writes:

Closest thing to child porn I've ever seen on the front page of the 8/4 NDN print edition. What were they thinking?

nstinks writes:

As much as we Americans want to thump our chests and declare we’re the best, just think of how politically, economically and environmentally screwed up we are, and it only took us 235 years to do it.

— Henry S. Kolesinski

Now.......instead of rule of law and strict adherence to the Constitution....particularily the 10th Amendment.......we have entered a time in our histoy when "compromise" is deemed a victory.

A "Super Congress" has been formed and our de facto representation has been replaced by a body more powerful than the Constitution.

Dow down over 500 points......nearly 5% one day loss.

Let me add........this is what happens when you "compromise" with the problem instead of making the hard decision to fix it.

nstinks writes:

I look at the obituary column and I see these beautiful ladies and handsome gentlemen and I feel so sad.

— Carol Maher

I look at the obituary column and expect to see "The United States of America" listed.

It was a great run.........I hope my children and grandchildren will forgive me for not fighting sooner to help save our country.

ChiDem writes:

Happy Birthday Barack.

woods311 writes:

in response to Writethinker:

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Beg to differ, we need "Fair Tax," and "I.L.A.C."

A place on the ballot marked "None of the above".

Give us a "fair tax", and a place on our ballot where we can vote

"none of the above."

It is doable, simple, and inexpensive to put a place on our ballot to vote "none of the above". It can be done prior to the 2012 elections.

If the politicians or bureaucrats won't do it, write in.

A different choice, and the politicians will know what we really think.

No third party, no more voting for the lessor of two evils, and term limits.

With I.L.A.C., anyone can run for office.

"We are hiring people for the most important jobs in the world here, "next."

I lack confidence in the promises of these candidates.

To the Democrats and the Republicans, "the party is over."

Local, State, and Federal.

I.L.A.C. !!

nstinks writes:

in response to anicou:

Dow plunges 513 points. It didn't happen since 2008.
Are we starting an other recession?

Well anicou......many have predicted it.

They have warned the chickens will soon come home to roost.

Keynesian economics has never worked in the past and it will not work in America.

We are now........."One Nation, On The Dole."

nstinks writes:

in response to Writethinker:

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Ultimately, the biggest casualty with this line of thinking is the ideal of independence.

Voters like this can be characterized according to the government programs from which they benefit.

Vested interests have gamed the system to the point we find ourselves in.

We have become a nation of spending constituencies........a place where we have lost individual identities and are now dependent upon government.

I highly doubt in my lifetime that Americans will ask the question......"how much government dependence is too much?"

"How much can we afford?"

Such a spectacle would be worth the price of admission if these questiosn were answered truthfully.

woods311 writes:

in response to Writethinker:

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Story is that we can put an "American" in the white house with "I.L.A.C."

The spending has already been done.

What part of broke, do people not understand? The old math is still true, two plus two equals four.

woods311 writes:

in response to woods311:

Story is that we can put an "American" in the white house with "I.L.A.C."

The spending has already been done.

What part of broke, do people not understand? The old math is still true, two plus two equals four.

Don't like talking to myself, but i would like to clarify "American" includes Barack Obama. I.M.O.

nstinks writes:

in response to ChiDem:

Happy Birthday Barack.

Happy belated Birthday America........August 4th, 2011.

Sorry I missed the celebration on July 4th.

I was just too busy to remember you.

nstinks writes:

It is our fault completely. We elected these people to represent us. They are incompetent and they have failed.

— Tom LeRoy

Yes Tom........I think about this often.

If only I had acted sooner.

keekee writes:

in response to anicou:

First!!!! For the first time. OLE!

OLE indeed!! Yeah anicou!

nstinks writes:

Congress is terrified of the balanced-budget amendment; but don’t worry, if it passes, they will find ways around it with exceptions and allow presidential exemptions as political handouts just like Obamacare.

— Donavin A. Baumgartner Jr.

The have Don........Beware of the "Super Congress."

Yet another un-Constitutional idea from the folks in Washington.

This "Super Congress," composed of members of both chambers and both parties, isn't mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, but would be granted extraordinary new powers.

Under a plan put forth by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and his counterpart Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), legislation to lift the debt ceiling would be accompanied by the creation of a 12-member panel made up of 12 lawmakers -- six from each chamber and six from each party.

Legislation approved by the Super Congress -- which some on Capitol Hill are calling the "super committee" -- would then be fast-tracked through both chambers, where it couldn't be amended by simple, regular lawmakers, who'd have the ability only to cast an up or down vote.

With the weight of both leaderships behind it, a product originated by the Super Congress would have a strong chance of moving through the little Congress and quickly becoming law. A Super Congress would be less accountable than the system that exists today, and would find it easier to strip the public of popular benefits.

If this is allowed.......Goodbye America as we once knew it.

http://yedies.blogspot.com/2011/07/be...

nstinks writes:

in response to YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE:

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"That's why so many Americans mistake the gut feeling, the same gut feeling that causes us to kick the fender of a car when it won't start, is common sense."

I find my nstinks are a good guide when I apply common sense.

People don't need an Ivy League education.

nstinks writes:

Does he not understand what is at stake?

He is an amateur trying to play high-stakes poker with his so-called penny plan.

— Martin F. Klingenberg

One might ask you the same question Martin.

This "victory" of yours in the form of a "compromise" will have severe repercussions.........because kicking a can down the street has never solved any problem.

nstinks writes:

in response to Writethinker:

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I rest my case........"Muzzle" the detractors promoting a common sense approach.

nstinks writes:

Now in my Funk and Wagnalls dictionary, solvent is defined as “having the means sufficient to pay all debts; having more assets than liabilities.”

— John Miller

The only one liberated was the political establishment in Washington.

Must be nice to trash the Constitution by avoiding all future responsibility with the creation of a "Super Congress."

anicou writes:

in response to keekee:

OLE indeed!! Yeah anicou!

Thanks KeeKee! there is always a first time for everything. :-)

nstinks writes:

Let’s hope our elected leaders always remember that their boss is us, and we demand better performance than what we are getting right now.

— Jonathon Edwards

It's no longer a matter of "hope" Jonathon.

Many voted for "hope" and "change."

Look where it got us.

We must now DEMAND accountability.

And if our demands are not met.........find a replacement ASAP.

nstinks writes:

Todays's letters represent the mood in America.

They were very well thought out and everyone agrees........It's time to get serious if we are to save America.

Do your part.

anicou writes:

in response to nstinks:

Well anicou......many have predicted it.

They have warned the chickens will soon come home to roost.

Keynesian economics has never worked in the past and it will not work in America.

We are now........."One Nation, On The Dole."

nstinks...One Nation, on the Dole, or on the Hole?"

nstinks writes:

in response to anicou:

First!!!! For the first time. OLE!

You're always "first" in my book anicou.

OLE!

nstinks writes:

in response to anicou:

nstinks...One Nation, on the Dole, or on the Hole?"

LOL!

Both fit the description!

woods311 writes:

in response to nstinks:

Let’s hope our elected leaders always remember that their boss is us, and we demand better performance than what we are getting right now.

— Jonathon Edwards

It's no longer a matter of "hope" Jonathon.

Many voted for "hope" and "change."

Look where it got us.

We must now DEMAND accountability.

And if our demands are not met.........find a replacement ASAP.

That is doable with I.L.A.C.

"Fair Tax", and a place on the ballot to vote "None of the above."

I lack confidence in the promises of these candidates.

Local State and Federal, I.L.A.C.

nstinks writes:

It's been said records are made to be broken.

But, this is one record I would normally not wish on anyone.

The stock market did something it has not done in over 33 years.........Decline for nine straight sessions.....and today was a whopper.

Like Cass said.........May every scoundrel in Washington lose their shirt....regardless of the political party or special interest group they represent.

nstinks writes:

in response to woods311:

That is doable with I.L.A.C.

"Fair Tax", and a place on the ballot to vote "None of the above."

I lack confidence in the promises of these candidates.

Local State and Federal, I.L.A.C.

I.L.A.C. for sure!

anicou writes:

in response to nstinks:

Todays's letters represent the mood in America.

They were very well thought out and everyone agrees........It's time to get serious if we are to save America.

Do your part.

The only solution is to get rid of the present administration to replace them by people who will be honest and love the country enough to help Americans instead to help themselves.
Am I a dreamer? Yes? But, this is not the time to dream but to act.
President Obama. You are in charge of the country and you weren't up to your promises.
I hope someone, somehow will come and be truthful enough to be a real leader our country needs.
Someone who has enough integrity to listen to the people and forget about his or her own political agenda.
You are not the man I voted for, who is up to the job.
I wish you do what Nixon did. A smooth departure.

ChiDem writes:

in response to Writethinker:

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I agree completely. Everyone knows how effective the stimulus was. How else can we stimulate the economy other than injecting money into the economy by taking the money from taxpayers, running it through government bureaucracy, then give what ever is left to people who are smart enough to spend it.

Keynesian worked for FDR, and ......... and Japan. Japan is at 123% of GDP and hasn't collapsed ...... yet, just weak.

As far small businesses that control 70% of the jobs claiming until Obama is out of office, nothing positive will happen. Not true Americans.

Just because Obama has stated business is the enemy is no reason to distrust Obama.

No one knows the effects of Obamacare. Will it cost $4,000 per employee or $12,000. What is the problem? There is a range of $4-$12. Maybe $17K DUH.

Unemployment insurance is skyrocketing. So what. Paying fives time unemployment insurance rate is not that bad.

What will energy costs be? An $8k FPL bill that will quadruple? At least you know you will have it stuck to you. No need to worry about it any longer.

When will card check passes and the unions take over employees, and when will a former Union lawyer arbitrate what their wages will be, what's the harm? It is un-American to only pay workers what they are worth.

If other costly regulations like 1099 filing requirement be invoked, think how many people will have to be hired to do the paperwork and filing.

How many IRS regulations for filing about healthcare will be required and how many employees will be needed to fill out government forms and how much will the fine be if you miss a notice or filing. We'll find out after the law is implemented and the Sec of HHS makes the new rules and penalties.

There is a major risk factor for business with Obama and many business owners don't want to risk what they have worked a lifetime building up only to have it closed under regulations and laws about standing water next to the parking lot after a rain violating the Clean Water Act, or spending $30k fighting the bureaucrat enforcing the letter of the law with unlimited resources. So there might be a $80,000 fine. Hiring a law firm will create more employment defending the law suit at for hopefully less than $80,000. Or just pay the fine.

Look at the jobs created by Obama.

And it only cost $250K plus per job, even though some jobs were part time or lasted only a few months.

Why did 12 of Obama's top economic advisers quit with such a successful record of stimulus job creation, not only in the public sector for government union employees, but even thousands of private UAW employees. To bad there wasn't enough money to replenish
non union auto company worker's pensions.

Oh Ba Ma, Oh Ba Ma, Oh Ba Ma, Oh Ba Ma, Oh Ba Ma, Oh Ba Ma.

Feel the excitement in the air?????

bossman1 writes:

KK, I'm very disappointed in you. I ask you three questions reguarding your poor behavior to me and you don't answer, except to demand a ansdwer to a personal question about the woman in my family.
Shame on you, I thought you were better than that.
To top it off you use the death of a son of one of our posters in a effort to try and hurt me. Oh dear, I should have known better.

bossman1 writes:

Only 14% of American approve of our congress today, down from just 8 months ago when it was 18%.
Question is, why is it as high as 14%?

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

THE AMERICAN WAY:
HENRY: You mentioned the "current corrupt government".

In the 1930's and 40's organized crime ran our largest cities. The gangsters OWNED the politicians.

The 1920's had its "muckrakers", and throughout American History our government; in conjuction with industry figured out how to start wars so we could steal land from other countries; like Mexico and Spain.

So you see HENRY; corruption just didn't START. It's been with us right from the beginning.

Anyway: America is a great country. Sooner or later EVERYONE discovers Morality. He just has to wait until its the OTHER political party which is in power.

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

A SIMPLE THOUGHT:

"It takes more than three years to repair the damage caused by eight years of a Republican president"

Paul DOES have a point.

bossman1 writes:

in response to Writethinker:

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write, offer an apology, that was over the line. Don't become like chiDem

AmericasTrueRecoveryBeginsIn2016 writes:

Tom LeRoy, Naples -

If Mr. Buffett were to extend his legislative proposal to include the sitting president in addition to the sitting Congress, I'd vote for him.

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

TAKE ME TO OUR LEADERS:
STEPHEN: We HAVE to explore outer space. If we don't; and just stay here; we become nothing more then human animals in a global cage.

bossman1 writes:

in response to anicou:

The only solution is to get rid of the present administration to replace them by people who will be honest and love the country enough to help Americans instead to help themselves.
Am I a dreamer? Yes? But, this is not the time to dream but to act.
President Obama. You are in charge of the country and you weren't up to your promises.
I hope someone, somehow will come and be truthful enough to be a real leader our country needs.
Someone who has enough integrity to listen to the people and forget about his or her own political agenda.
You are not the man I voted for, who is up to the job.
I wish you do what Nixon did. A smooth departure.

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keekee writes:

in response to bossman1:

KK, I'm very disappointed in you. I ask you three questions reguarding your poor behavior to me and you don't answer, except to demand a ansdwer to a personal question about the woman in my family.
Shame on you, I thought you were better than that.
To top it off you use the death of a son of one of our posters in a effort to try and hurt me. Oh dear, I should have known better.

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Pragmatic1 writes:

J. N. Miranda

You say the Democrats are spending too much?

Can you be more specific? What have they spent on in the past 10 years excepot a stimulus to help buy our way out of the mess from the Republicans?

Did The Democrats start two unfunded wars? Did the Democrats institute a prescription drug plan? All of this unfunded.

Did the Democrats go six years in complete control of both houses and the Presidency and during that time spend us into oblivion? Did the Democrats never see a spending bill for six years they didn't like?

No, it was The Republicans that did that.

So, tell me, misguided one, what exactly have the Democrats spent too much on ... and you cannot use the messes the Republicans started.

It is exactly your blind and totally partisan and sophomoric rhetoric that is perhaps the most dangerous threat to our country today.

Pragmatic1 writes:

H R Buttleman

You ask that the Presidents Czar's explain what they are doing.

Then how about the Republican Congress explain why they have yet to pass the first jobs bill? What have they done except posture and squeeze in the background of televised sound bites?

Tough work, staying up into the evening eating pizza and saving the world. Now they have to take a month off to rest up and start fighting again.

All the hoopla about the new freshmen Republican Congress and what we see is a bunch of rookies that do not know how to play the political game in Washington, as sick as it may be.

anicou writes:

in response to bossman1:

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ChiDem writes:

in response to Writethinker:

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When has the Keynesian theory be tried? and when was it successful? Remember, it is an academic THEORY. Tell us when it was very successful.

By the way, FDR also came into office with a minimal national debt, and a Federal government that consumed less than 10% of GDP. He had a lot of room to screw up which, according to some in his administration, he did royally.

FDR had 70% - 75% control of congress by democrats.

Read about the 1920 Depression that was greater than the 1929 crash. You may not have heard of it because it lasted 18 months, by cutting spending and taxes. The same way Kennedy did in the sixties.

With the Kennedy tax cuts, just as happened in the 1920s, the share of the income tax burden borne by the rich increased following the tax cuts. Tax collections from those making over $50,000 per year climbed by 57 percent between 1963 and 1966, while tax collections from those earning below $50,000 rose 11 percent. As a result, the rich saw their portion of the income tax burden climb.

By the way, this will make you very happy. In both cases, even with the tax cuts, the rich, at that time, paid more in taxes AFTER the cuts. Doesn't that make you feed good.

Try some research and find out what the rich paid before and after the Reagan tax cuts. You will be happy again.

Glad I could bring a smile to your face about the evil rich paying more in taxes.

Just so you don't get confused about the wealthy you are supposed to hate. Those that have the high income from working all day 6-7 days a weeks, are those that support fiscal responsible government and pay the highest tax rate, they lean toward conservatives.

Those that live off trust funds or investments that get up at 10am and watch the business channel in their PJ's, and the Wall Street money men, and pay 15% on their income, they support liberals.

Those that work and have high income are the bad wealthy. Those that work a 3 hour day, those are the good wealthy.

Workers - bad
Living off wealth - good

So now you know which wealthy you are supposed to hate according to the talking points.

AmericasTrueRecoveryBeginsIn2016 writes:

in response to Pragmatic1:

J. N. Miranda

You say the Democrats are spending too much?

Can you be more specific? What have they spent on in the past 10 years excepot a stimulus to help buy our way out of the mess from the Republicans?

Did The Democrats start two unfunded wars? Did the Democrats institute a prescription drug plan? All of this unfunded.

Did the Democrats go six years in complete control of both houses and the Presidency and during that time spend us into oblivion? Did the Democrats never see a spending bill for six years they didn't like?

No, it was The Republicans that did that.

So, tell me, misguided one, what exactly have the Democrats spent too much on ... and you cannot use the messes the Republicans started.

It is exactly your blind and totally partisan and sophomoric rhetoric that is perhaps the most dangerous threat to our country today.

Not very pragmatic of you to qualify and limit the scope of the answer you are looking for by eliminating legitmate arguments to the points that you raise in your comments.

A truly pragmatic person would be willing to listen to the opinions of others in response to the questions asked, even if those opinions were something that they didn't necessarily agree with.

A truly pragmatic person would not unfairly limit the responses they are willing to get in response to questions asked because their personal ideology is too narrow to allow anyone to provide a response that falls outside the scope of their beliefs.

Partisan politics such as you are putting on brilliant display in your post are the biggest obstacle to our country coming together in a manner that will let us truly begin to move forward.

You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

AmericasTrueRecoveryBeginsIn2016 writes:

in response to Pragmatic1:

H R Buttleman

You ask that the Presidents Czar's explain what they are doing.

Then how about the Republican Congress explain why they have yet to pass the first jobs bill? What have they done except posture and squeeze in the background of televised sound bites?

Tough work, staying up into the evening eating pizza and saving the world. Now they have to take a month off to rest up and start fighting again.

All the hoopla about the new freshmen Republican Congress and what we see is a bunch of rookies that do not know how to play the political game in Washington, as sick as it may be.

Please take a moment to remind the rest of the forum about the status of the 2,000,000 jobs that Obama promised to create.

Or was that promise to create and save 2,000,000 jobs?

Or was that promise just save 2,000,000 jobs?

Obama and the Democrats told so many different versions of that story depending on which part of their plan was failing at the time, it was hard to eekp them all straight.

While you're at it, please take a moment to remind the rest of the forum where all of the Democratic lawmakers are for the next five weeks while their Republican counterparts are taking their summer recess.

Finally, as long as you're on roll, please take a moment to remind the rest of the forum how much better off this country is at the moment at the hands of the so-called "experienced" politicians that raised the debt ceiling and simultaneously increased our debt load to 100% of GDP, all so that they could continue to protect their respective party's political interests and avoid answering any embarrassing questions about the debt limit until after the 2012 elections.

Both parties are just as responsible and just as culpable for the mess that this country continues to find itself mired in.

To believe otherwise is naive and delusional.

To claim otherwise is dishonest and disingenuous.

ChiDem writes:

in response to Pragmatic1:

H R Buttleman

You ask that the Presidents Czar's explain what they are doing.

Then how about the Republican Congress explain why they have yet to pass the first jobs bill? What have they done except posture and squeeze in the background of televised sound bites?

Tough work, staying up into the evening eating pizza and saving the world. Now they have to take a month off to rest up and start fighting again.

All the hoopla about the new freshmen Republican Congress and what we see is a bunch of rookies that do not know how to play the political game in Washington, as sick as it may be.

Republican Congress???

Did I miss something?

Harry is no longer majority leader?

Cubs are leading their division?

Obama has plans ................ in writing!!!!!!!

How many of Obama's jobs bill have the Republicans voted down?

Where is the leadership to create jobs?

Republicans want to get rid of the roadblocks to employment. Liberals keep adding bumps in the road.

Where were all the job bills when democrats controlled everything for over two years? Which one, if any, worked.

Look at Biden's transparent accounting of stimulus spending.

Where have all the Obama economic advisers gone???

Seriously, why do you think Obama has lost every top economic adviser?

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